in not only budget matters but also foreign policy. i think you'll see a lot more depth in terms of the conversation on thursday than you did four years ago. >> carrie dan, thank you and good luck out there. >> thanks a lot. >>> the upcoming debate puts the vice presidential nominees in the spotlight. we have heard from our campaign embeds on how the nominees are preparing. so what is at stake in the vice presidential debate? joining me is matt visor, the national political reporter for "the boston globe," and erin mcpike, political reporter for real clear politics. thanks to you both. mike, let's start with you. the "national journal" points out that biden has not set for a national interview in more than five months. he can be prone to having bloopers now and then that are always well talked about. are democrats concerned about what the democrats might say? >> sure. i mean, i think one of the best attributes of joe biden's is his ability to speak off the cuff. it creates some gaffes and missteps, but it's sort of rare to have a polit